[z3-five] Re: [Zope-dev] What from zope.app are you using

[whit]

Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> 
> Just to sketch out my general points to be clear:
> 
> * I'm fine with a Zope 3 project that moves things from zope.app into zope.
> 
> * I'm also fine with Zope 2 usage guiding which things should be moved 
> first.
> 
> * I'm not fine with a Zope 2 shipping with only parts of the 
> library-like functionality of Zope 3. I think the Five project, along 
> with Five users, should continue to have the ability to expose bits of 
> Zope 3, no matter where they happen to be residing (zope or zope.app), 
> into Zope 2.
> 
> * I don't see why shipping zope.app (as long as it exists) with Zope 2 
> is a problem. It doesn't hurt except for taking up a bit more of cheap 
> diskspace.
> 
> * You could argue for removing those bits of zope.app that really have 
> nothing to do with Zope 2, but I'd still be careful here. Someone might 
> *want* to work on a new publisher for Zope 2 that uses Twisted, using 
> bits of Zope 3 that integrate with Twisted, and why make life more 
> difficult for them?
> 
> * if you do not ship zope.app with Zope 2 anymore, the usage by Zope 2 
> will stop being a guide for which things to move from zope.app into zope 
> next.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Martijn
> 

to echo Martijn, I've learned much more about zope3 thumbing through the 
z3 bundled with Zope 2 than I have looking at actual zope3 source, 
because I don't have a job that pays me to do pure zope3.

I would argue sending the whole enchilada is good social programming. 
one less download before someone explores the codebase and a lower 
barrier to experimentation if someone gets the itch to integrate a z3 
feature into zope2.

-w