From sadrejeb at gmx.ch  Sat Jul  1 17:07:53 2006
From: sadrejeb at gmx.ch (Sadruddin Rejeb)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 17:07:53 +0200
Subject: [pypy-sprint] Participating to the Europython sprint
Message-ID: <200607011707.53752.sadrejeb@gmx.ch>

Hello,

I would like to know whether it makes some sense to participate to the last 3 
days of the post EP sprint (i.e. missing the first day). I really cannot 
attend on the 6th, but I'd love to take advantage of the proximity of the 
sprint (I live in Switerland) to get to know in depth this extraordinary 
project and meet the people behind it.

Best regards,
Sad

From cfbolz at gmx.de  Sat Jul  1 19:12:09 2006
From: cfbolz at gmx.de (Carl Friedrich Bolz)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:12:09 +0200
Subject: [pypy-sprint] Participating to the Europython sprint
In-Reply-To: <200607011707.53752.sadrejeb@gmx.ch>
References: <200607011707.53752.sadrejeb@gmx.ch>
Message-ID: <348899050607011012s28bb4b3bw8ea3b860b12f44de@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

2006/7/1, Sadruddin Rejeb <sadrejeb at gmx.ch>:
> I would like to know whether it makes some sense to participate to the last 3
> days of the post EP sprint (i.e. missing the first day). I really cannot
> attend on the 6th, but I'd love to take advantage of the proximity of the
> sprint (I live in Switerland) to get to know in depth this extraordinary
> project and meet the people behind it.

The biggest problem with this is that the sprint introduction will be
on the first day, so you would miss that. You can make up for that by
reading lots of documentation and maybe watching the video of the
sprintinfo :-). See the following links:

http://codespeak.net/pypy/dist/pypy/doc/index.html
http://codespeak.net/pypy/dist/pypy/doc/video-index.html

In addition you should post some info about you, especially what you
are interested in working.

Cheers,

Carl Friedrich

From " sadrejeb" at gmx.ch  Sun Jul  2 20:36:16 2006
From: " sadrejeb" at gmx.ch (Sadruddin Rejeb)
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 20:36:16 +0200
Subject: [pypy-sprint] Participating to the Europython sprint
In-Reply-To: <348899050607011012s28bb4b3bw8ea3b860b12f44de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200607011707.53752.sadrejeb@gmx.ch>
	<348899050607011012s28bb4b3bw8ea3b860b12f44de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1151865376.20935.9.camel@dhcppc2>

On Sat, 2006-07-01 at 19:12 +0200, Carl Friedrich Bolz wrote:
> The biggest problem with this is that the sprint introduction will be
> on the first day, so you would miss that. You can make up for that by
> reading lots of documentation and maybe watching the video of the
> sprintinfo :-)
Will do ;-)

> In addition you should post some info about you, especially what you
> are interested in working.
I've been programming for the last 10 years, first in C/C++ (notably
contributing to the QuantLib project, an open-source quantitative
finance library), and then switched to Python as my main language 4
years ago. I successfully made Python the core language in the last 2
companies I worked for, so I'm some kind of lobbyist in that respect.
About pypy, I guess my main interest *would* be on the translation
aspect of things, but I'm afraid I cannot be more specific than this.
Obviously, being helpful there probably requires top notch familiarity
with the source code, so I'm willing to help on any task that's
newbie-friendly.

Sad


From mwh at python.net  Tue Jul  4 13:24:38 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 12:24:38 +0100
Subject: [pypy-sprint] I'd like to participate at EP2006 sprint
In-Reply-To: <20060630163708.97404.qmail@web26812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> (Pieter
	Zieschang's message of "Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:37:08 +0200 (CEST)")
References: <20060630163708.97404.qmail@web26812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2mfyhh62a1.fsf@starship.python.net>

Pieter Zieschang <p_zieschang at yahoo.de> writes:

> Hi,
>
> I'd like to participate at the europython 2006
> sprint.
>
> Can you tell me everything I need to know to do so ?

It was you I said I'd talk to at lunch today I think... we seem to
have missed each other.  If you ask questions here by email, you're
perhaps more likely to get a sensible answer...

Cheers,
mwh
(running around manically, as usual)

-- 
 "Well, the old ones go Mmmmmbbbbzzzzttteeeeeep as they start up and
  the new ones go whupwhupwhupwhooopwhooooopwhooooooommmmmmmmmm."
                         -- Graham Reed explains subway engines on asr

From bea at changemaker.nu  Wed Jul  5 09:09:04 2006
From: bea at changemaker.nu (Beatrice During)
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:09:04 +0200
Subject: [pypy-sprint] Sprint room
Message-ID: <44AB6590.10805@changemaker.nu>

Hi there

We have booked a room in building 40 (where the tracks and talks are 
being held), for the PyPy sprint - room: 40-R-B10.

The room has a projector and powerplugs (swiss ones), a whiteboard and 
we can facilitate ca 20 people.

Due to the CERN tour the sprint will start at 13.30 on Thursday 6th of 
July - we will start with the tutorial and a brief planning session 
before hacking away.

Cheers

Bea

From mistobaan at gmail.com  Mon Jul 10 21:10:56 2006
From: mistobaan at gmail.com (Fabrizio Milo)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:10:56 +0200
Subject: [pypy-sprint] Next Sprint
Message-ID: <e437f2f0607101210q678db2f7q3a0810e6ffd3f51a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

I really enjoyed the europython2006's pypy-sprint, and I really want
to come to the next one.
In order to optimize the upper bound of the function "pypy-travel-cost
" I would like to
know more information, in order to start looking for cheap-flights,
accommodations and
other stuff.

Thank you!

Fabrizio Milo aka misto

From micktwomey at gmail.com  Tue Jul 25 08:04:44 2006
From: micktwomey at gmail.com (Michael Twomey)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:04:44 +0100
Subject: [pypy-sprint] Limerick Sprint
Message-ID: <50a522ca0607242304t9e7a2b2h11441f92f86b07a6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I should be able to turn up from Friday to Sunday at the end of the
sprint, hopefully I can still get something useful done :)

There should be one or two other folks from the python Ireland user
group showing up too, hopefully I can coax them to drop a line here.

cheers,
  mick

From arigo at tunes.org  Thu Aug 10 14:53:19 2006
From: arigo at tunes.org (Armin Rigo)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:53:19 +0200
Subject: [pypy-sprint] Limerick accomodation
Message-ID: <20060810125319.GA8488@code0.codespeak.net>

Hi,

Does anyone want to share accomodation with me?  I'm about to take one
of the following (from 21st to 28th for myself) at the Brookfield Hall:

    2 bedroom apartment - 64Euro per night;
    3 bed apartment - 69Euro per night;
    4 bedroom apartment - 79Euro per night.


A bientot,

Armin

From ebelular at gmail.com  Fri Aug 11 19:44:13 2006
From: ebelular at gmail.com (Rory McCann)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:44:13 +0100
Subject: [pypy-sprint] Interested in coming to the sprint.
Message-ID: <20b463fd0608111044h787cda3eh3a69e488bad81b1@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys,

I don't have any experience hacking on PyPy, but I'm a Python fan, and
a bit of a programming language nut. I'm interested in going to the
sprint in Limrick as I'm from Ireland myself.

But I don't think I'd be much use while there. I don't know anything
really about pypy, but I'm willing to learn. I was considering going
for the first day to the introduction at least, but at the last Dublin
Python Meetup (http://python.meetup.com/13/), a few people were
interested in going towards the end of the week.

Any advice?

ROry

From mwh at python.net  Mon Aug 14 00:55:47 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:55:47 +0100
Subject: [pypy-sprint] offline for a few days before limerick
Message-ID: <2m3bc0tfd8.fsf@starship.python.net>

I'll be offline from Wednesday evening until Saturday some time this
week.  I think enough people have my cell phone number if you need to
get in touch with me urgently.

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  The ultimate laziness is not using Perl.  That saves you so much
  work you wouldn't believe it if you had never tried it.
                                        -- Erik Naggum, comp.lang.lisp

From arigo at tunes.org  Mon Aug 14 13:27:26 2006
From: arigo at tunes.org (Armin Rigo)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:27:26 +0200
Subject: [pypy-sprint] Interested in coming to the sprint.
In-Reply-To: <20b463fd0608111044h787cda3eh3a69e488bad81b1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20b463fd0608111044h787cda3eh3a69e488bad81b1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060814112726.GA9100@code0.codespeak.net>

Hi Rory,

On Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 06:44:13PM +0100, Rory McCann wrote:
> I don't have any experience hacking on PyPy, but I'm a Python fan, and
> a bit of a programming language nut. I'm interested in going to the
> sprint in Limrick as I'm from Ireland myself.

Welcome :-)

> But I don't think I'd be much use while there. I don't know anything
> really about pypy, but I'm willing to learn. I was considering going
> for the first day to the introduction at least, but at the last Dublin
> Python Meetup (http://python.meetup.com/13/), a few people were
> interested in going towards the end of the week.

The problem with people missing the first day is that we cannot
realistically repeat the same tutorials every day :-/  However, I
suppose that if a group of people (3-4) arrange to show up all on the
same day, we can consider giving some tutorials or talks on that
morning.


A bientot,

Armin

From bea at changemaker.nu  Tue Aug 15 12:23:21 2006
From: bea at changemaker.nu (Beatrice During)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 12:23:21 +0200
Subject: [pypy-sprint] Interested in coming to the sprint.
In-Reply-To: <20060814112726.GA9100@code0.codespeak.net>
References: <20b463fd0608111044h787cda3eh3a69e488bad81b1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060814112726.GA9100@code0.codespeak.net>
Message-ID: <44E1A099.2020800@changemaker.nu>

Hi there

Armin Rigo skrev:
> Hi Rory,
> 
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 06:44:13PM +0100, Rory McCann wrote:
>> I don't have any experience hacking on PyPy, but I'm a Python fan, and
>> a bit of a programming language nut. I'm interested in going to the
>> sprint in Limrick as I'm from Ireland myself.
> 
> Welcome :-

Indeed ;-)

>> But I don't think I'd be much use while there. I don't know anything
>> really about pypy, but I'm willing to learn. I was considering going
>> for the first day to the introduction at least, but at the last Dublin
>> Python Meetup (http://python.meetup.com/13/), a few people were
>> interested in going towards the end of the week.
> 
> The problem with people missing the first day is that we cannot
> realistically repeat the same tutorials every day :-/  However, I
> suppose that if a group of people (3-4) arrange to show up all on the
> same day, we can consider giving some tutorials or talks on that
> morning.
> 

It is starting to look just like that - so your idea Armin is a good 
one. Holger and I have planned to discuss the timing of tutorials and 
possible technical talks/workshop tomorrow - we will post to pypy-sprint
and see if we can reschedule tutorials until friday......

If there are any more people out there that are thinking/planning to 
attend the Limerick sprint - please post here and announce your interest 
as soon as possible. It will make it easier for us to organize and prepare.


Cheers

Bea
> A bientot,
> 
> Armin
> _______________________________________________
> pypy-sprint mailing list
> pypy-sprint at codespeak.net
> http://codespeak.net/mailman/listinfo/pypy-sprint
> 
> 

From bea at changemaker.nu  Wed Aug 16 12:26:16 2006
From: bea at changemaker.nu (Beatrice During)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:26:16 +0200
Subject: [pypy-sprint] Limerick sprint/rescheduled tutorial
Message-ID: <44E2F2C8.5050400@changemaker.nu>

Hi there

We have rescheduled a bit of the sprint that concerns the tutorial, this 
because of our Irish friends (Michael Twomey, Rory McCann) that have 
announced interest in participating will be arriving on Friday.

So - here is a suggested sprint structure:

Monday:
10:00			Set up, network, coffe - warming up
11:00			Start up planning session - then hack away
13:30-15:00		Lunch
15:00----		Hack away

Tuesday-Wednesday	10:30 Status meeting - then hack away

Thursday		Break day

Friday			10:30 Status meeting - then hack away
			17:00 Tutorial and QA session
			20:00 Dinner

Saturday-Sunday		10:30 Status meeting (and planning session) -   			 
then hack away


The idea is that anyone interested can join the tutorial/QA session and 
dinner on Friday. If people want to stay and participate in the sprint 
during Saturday and Sunday (a very short time so we recommend some prior 
PyPy knowledge and good Python programming skills) - then we suggest
that people group pair with Michael Hudson on type optimizations.

Michael T: can you forward this to the irish python group so they know 
that people can join just for friday afternoon if the want to? 
Socializing a bit - PyPy goes Irish (whatever that means but we are 
willing to learn ;-)

Is this setup OK with you and Rory (and possible other people)? I will
update the sprint announcement after I have recieved feedback from you....

Also - there will be a parallell workshop during Monday - but the 
workshop will focus on the methodology of the project. But a few 
researchers might observe the start up planning session, they will film 
and take pictures and also - possibly during lunch - ask some informal 
questions.

They are part of a research team at the Interaction Design Center 
(http://www.idc.ul.ie/) on UL called 'social, organizational, and 
cultural aspects of global software development', or 'socGSD' for short 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_programming_language) - focused on 
distributed software development, specifically taking a social, cultural 
and organizational perspective. They are interested in studying how a 
sprint is actually done.

I hope this is OK with everyone participating - we mentioned this 
possibility in the announcement so it should not come as a surprise.....

Look forward to meet up in Limerick!

Cheers

Bea


From micktwomey at gmail.com  Wed Aug 16 14:14:18 2006
From: micktwomey at gmail.com (Michael Twomey)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:14:18 +0100
Subject: [pypy-sprint] Limerick sprint/rescheduled tutorial
In-Reply-To: <44E2F2C8.5050400@changemaker.nu>
References: <44E2F2C8.5050400@changemaker.nu>
Message-ID: <50a522ca0608160514y47cbb492x8682e9045fac6dad@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/16/06, Beatrice During <bea at changemaker.nu> wrote:
> Michael T: can you forward this to the irish python group so they know
> that people can join just for friday afternoon if the want to?
> Socializing a bit - PyPy goes Irish (whatever that means but we are
> willing to learn ;-)
>

Done. We'll put our heads together and try and figure out some Irish
hospitality.

> Is this setup OK with you and Rory (and possible other people)? I will
> update the sprint announcement after I have recieved feedback from you....
>

It's ok for me, I plan to arrive on Thursday night.

cheers,
  Michael

From ebelular at gmail.com  Wed Aug 16 16:08:26 2006
From: ebelular at gmail.com (Rory McCann)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:08:26 +0100
Subject: [pypy-sprint] Limerick sprint/rescheduled tutorial
In-Reply-To: <44E2F2C8.5050400@changemaker.nu>
References: <44E2F2C8.5050400@changemaker.nu>
Message-ID: <20b463fd0608160708rc571248m6698e837ab17b62f@mail.gmail.com>

On 16/08/06, Beatrice During <bea at changemaker.nu> wrote:
> Hi there
>
> We have rescheduled a bit of the sprint that concerns the tutorial, this
> because of our Irish friends (Michael Twomey, Rory McCann) that have
> announced interest in participating will be arriving on Friday.

Excellent. I'll be able to come for the tutorial on Friday. :)

Rory

From bea at changemaker.nu  Thu Aug 17 16:48:59 2006
From: bea at changemaker.nu (Beatrice During)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:48:59 +0200
Subject: [pypy-sprint] Debian talk at the Limerick sprint?
Message-ID: <44E481DB.3060403@changemaker.nu>

Hi there

We have been offered (from the University of Limerick) to hear a talk 
from one of their PhD students Martin Krafft. He's one of the developers 
in the Debian project, and has given several talks before on the 
workings of the Debian project. A brief summary of the presentation from 
Martin:
------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd offer to talk about the life-cycle of a Debian package. While
this is interesting in terms of its complexity (Debian *is* the
largest open source project and handles about 10'000 software
packages -- 5 times as many as the other distributions), it also
only really makes sense if you're interested in Debian...
-------------------------------------------------------------------

This would probably not take more than an hour - the question is if you 
people coming to the sprint are interested?

Let me know what you think before tomorrow noon.

Cheers

Bea

From bea at changemaker.nu  Wed Aug 23 11:39:35 2006
From: bea at changemaker.nu (Beatrice During)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:39:35 +0200
Subject: [pypy-sprint] [Fwd: Night out recommendations]
Message-ID: <44EC2257.2020001@changemaker.nu>

Hi there

Some useful information and recommendations regarding restaurants, taxis 
etc - thanks Gabriela!

Gives us a broader selection for evening meals....

So - how about Dolans for friday evening? Or would you prefer to stay 
around the campus area?

Cheers

Bea
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From ebelular at gmail.com  Fri Aug 25 10:31:15 2006
From: ebelular at gmail.com (Rory McCann)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:31:15 +0100
Subject: [pypy-sprint] Limerick sprint/rescheduled tutorial
In-Reply-To: <20b463fd0608160708rc571248m6698e837ab17b62f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <44E2F2C8.5050400@changemaker.nu>
	<20b463fd0608160708rc571248m6698e837ab17b62f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20b463fd0608250131k6859c071j86a13ddaa227e0ff@mail.gmail.com>

On 16/08/06, Rory McCann <ebelular at gmail.com> wrote:
> Excellent. I'll be able to come for the tutorial on Friday. :)
>
> Rory

Sorry for backing out at the last minutes, but I'm afraid I won't be
able to come today. I have just started a new job, and am quite busy.
Sorry about that, it sounded fun.

Rory

From cfbolz at gmx.de  Mon Sep 18 20:01:39 2006
From: cfbolz at gmx.de (Carl Friedrich Bolz)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:01:39 +0200
Subject: [pypy-sprint] PyPy Sprint Announcement, Duesseldorf 30 Oct - 5 Nov
Message-ID: <450EDF03.1070301@gmx.de>

Hi all!

The next PyPy sprint will be held in the Computer Science department of
Heinrich-Heine Universitaet Duesseldorf from the 30th of October to the
5th of November 2006.

Topics and goals
----------------

The topics of the sprints are not fixed yet.  We will progress on the
subjects that we are currently working on, while giving a special
priority to any topic that "non-core" people find interesting.  There
are many topics that could fit both category :-)  Here are some
examples:

* Just-In-Time work.  Two sub-topics:

  - write and/or optimize a machine-code backend (we have 386 only so
    far)
  - work on turning simple interpreters into JIT compilers (we cannot do
    this for the whole of the PyPy interpreter yet, we're getting there
    small step by small step).

* Optimization of core Python data types, making full
  use of PyPy's flexible architecture and python-implemented (and then
  translated) type system.  (We have already various dict and str
  implementations.)

* "Next-step stuff" that will requires some thinking and design:

  - distribution (where a single program runs on multiple machines)
  - persistence (save an "image" of a running program, or a part of it)
  - security (in many possible senses of the word)

* Working on py.test testing tool:

  - py.test recently grew some distribution features which are still
    rough around the edges and could use improvement

  - there are some more ideas for features of py.test around, like
    adding profiling capabilities (and more)

* Work on the PyPy build tool: There are some plans to provide a tool
  that allows one to flexibly configure PyPy and to also request builds
  from a set of build servers. If there is interest there could be work
  in this area.

* and as always, there is the topic of implementing or completing core
  extension modules (e.g. socket...).  This is hacking with a mix of
  ctypes and RPython.


Location
--------

The sprint will (probably) take place in a seminar room of the geography
department (which is getting assimilated by the cs department and is
below it).  It is in the building 25.12 of the university campus. For
travel instructions see

    http://stups.cs.uni-duesseldorf.de/anreise/esbahn.php

Registration
------------

If you'd like to come, please subscribe to the `pypy-sprint mailing
list`_ and drop a note about your interests and post any questions.
More organisational information will be send to that list.  We'll keep a
list of `people`_ which we'll update (which you can do so yourself if
you have codespeak commit rights).

.. _`pypy-sprint mailing list`:
http://codespeak.net/mailman/listinfo/pypy-sprint
.. _`people`:
http://codespeak.net/pypy/extradoc/sprintinfo/ddorf2006b/people.html



Cheers,

Carl Friedrich Bolz & the PyPy team


From niko at alum.mit.edu  Wed Sep 27 20:25:15 2006
From: niko at alum.mit.edu (Niko Matsakis)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:25:15 +0200
Subject: [pypy-sprint] Duesseldorf sprint in October
Message-ID: <7D9F97D5-FE0E-4C23-B08E-91195F998C58@alum.mit.edu>

Hello,

I am a PhD student in the area of compilers and runtime systems at  
ETH Z?rich and am thinking of attending the Duesseldorf sprint.

I have been trying to get an "in" to the code base for some time, and  
the sprint seems like a perfect opportunity.  I am hoping to become  
generally more involved in PyPy, mostly because I think the project  
is cool, but I am also considering whether I could find a project  
involving PyPy to do for my thesis.

In any case, I am wondering whether there are any suggested places  
for accommodation,  whether I have to register somewhere, etc.  I  
have never attending a sprint before so I'm not really sure about the  
procedure...


thank you,
Niko Matsakis

From bea at changemaker.nu  Thu Sep 28 12:42:44 2006
From: bea at changemaker.nu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Beatrice_D=FCring?=)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:42:44 +0200
Subject: [pypy-sprint] Duesseldorf sprint in October
In-Reply-To: <7D9F97D5-FE0E-4C23-B08E-91195F998C58@alum.mit.edu>
References: <7D9F97D5-FE0E-4C23-B08E-91195F998C58@alum.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <451BA724.5070806@changemaker.nu>

Hi there

Niko Matsakis skrev:
> Hello,
>
> I am a PhD student in the area of compilers and runtime systems at  
> ETH Z?rich and am thinking of attending the Duesseldorf sprint.
>
> I have been trying to get an "in" to the code base for some time, and  
> the sprint seems like a perfect opportunity.  I am hoping to become  
> generally more involved in PyPy, mostly because I think the project  
> is cool, but I am also considering whether I could find a project  
> involving PyPy to do for my thesis.
>
> In any case, I am wondering whether there are any suggested places  
> for accommodation,  whether I have to register somewhere, etc.  I  
> have never attending a sprint before so I'm not really sure about the  
> procedure...
>
>
> thank you,
> Niko Matsakis
>   
Thanks for showing an interest in PyPy Niko! You are of course very 
welcome to join the sprint and emailing the pypy-sprint list is
a very good way to start ;-)

Here are some other things that will help us/and you:
- Your programming experience - Python especially?
- Your main interest in PyPy - what would you like to play around with?
- Please check out documentation on getting started as well as other 
documentation in order to prepare  - we will arrange a tutorial as well 
during the sprint
  http://codespeak.net/pypy/dist/pypy/doc/getting-started.html
  http://codespeak.net/pypy/dist/pypy/doc/index.html
- Install Subversion and get a check out if you do not already have it; 
maybe also get a codespeak account for commit rights
(drop by at #pypy on irc.freenode.net and meet the core gang there  
-they will help you)

Regarding your question about accommodation  - when you have your commit 
rights/or just email it to this list you can put your
arrival date/departure date in this file and also see when the others 
arrive and leave  -here is also where you write where you will stay.
Looking at where other people are accommodated is a time efficient trick 
;-)
You can also ask on this list specifically if someone is prepare to 
share rooms etc in order to lower costs...

http://codespeak.net/pypy/extradoc/sprintinfo/ddorf2006b/people.html

If you have any more questions - do not hesitate to drop them here - or 
drop in on irc.....

Cheers

Bea D?ring


From mwh at python.net  Thu Sep 28 12:53:19 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:53:19 +0100
Subject: [pypy-sprint] Duesseldorf sprint in October
In-Reply-To: <7D9F97D5-FE0E-4C23-B08E-91195F998C58@alum.mit.edu> (Niko
	Matsakis's message of "Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:25:15 +0200")
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Niko Matsakis <niko at alum.mit.edu> writes:

> Hello,
>
> I am a PhD student in the area of compilers and runtime systems at  
> ETH Z?rich and am thinking of attending the Duesseldorf sprint.

Great!  We only have two (?) ETH graduates involved already :-)

> I have been trying to get an "in" to the code base for some time, and  
> the sprint seems like a perfect opportunity.

Well, that is one of the goals of a sprint, indeed.

> I am hoping to become generally more involved in PyPy, mostly
> because I think the project is cool, but I am also considering
> whether I could find a project involving PyPy to do for my thesis.

You have seen this page I guess:

    http://codespeak.net/pypy/dist/pypy/doc/project-ideas.html

?  I'm not sure that any of these are PhD sized ideas, but they could
be a starting point.

I guess, given your stated interests, that writing a new frontend or
backend would be most appropriate.  We can talk about this at the
sprint of course.

> In any case, I am wondering whether there are any suggested places  
> for accommodation,  whether I have to register somewhere, etc.

For accomodation I'm not the best person to ask as I have a flat in
the city...  At the last sprint, a few people stayed at the "Hotel an
der Uni" which doesn't seem to have its one web page, but is this one:

    http://www.hotel.de/Booking.aspx?han=1779300&lng=DE&h_hmid=131217

I think it was fine (apart from it taking half a day for all the wheat
beers I drank there to wear off :-).

For registration, stating here that you wish to attend is enough :)

I can add you to this page:

    http://codespeak.net/pypy/extradoc/sprintinfo/ddorf2006b/people.html

if you have definite dates.

> I have never attending a sprint before so I'm not really sure about
> the procedure...

Well you seem to be doing fine so far :-)

Cheers,
mwh

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From niko at alum.mit.edu  Thu Sep 28 15:17:19 2006
From: niko at alum.mit.edu (Niko Matsakis)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:17:19 +0200
Subject: [pypy-sprint] Duesseldorf sprint in October
In-Reply-To: <451BA724.5070806@changemaker.nu>
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	<451BA724.5070806@changemaker.nu>
Message-ID: <8A58FD8F-C3E7-4916-B0AA-1FE5392BE800@alum.mit.edu>

Okay, I'll drop by IRC, but to answer your questions:

> Here are some other things that will help us/and you:
> - Your programming experience - Python especially?

So, I would say I am an experienced programmer; my main interest has  
been compilers and runtime systems.  Before starting my PhD, I was  
one of the main developers for the first three years of a startup  
company (DataPower) developing a just-in-time compiler for XSLT, and  
also worked on the runtime and networking code, etc.

Regarding Python specifically, I have been using it in my spare time  
for five or six years now, don't know exactly, but I'm very familiar  
with it.  I am familiar with the implementations of CPython and  
Jython, though I haven't spent much time modifying them.  At some  
point, I wrote an abortive attempt at a Python JIT, but put it aside  
due to lack of time and competition from the rather-more-thought-out  
PyPy. :)

> - Your main interest in PyPy - what would you like to play around  
> with?

I definitely want to get my hands dirty in the "guts" of PyPy.  As I  
said, my main goal is to gain a better understanding of how the  
innards of PyPy fit together.  I would of course love to hack on the  
jit, but I figure that may be a bit premature as I still don't really  
understand the IR structures.  To that end, working on a new or  
incomplete backend seems like a good way to learn my way around (as  
suggested elsewhere).  I am pretty familiar with the JVM, so I could  
work on a JVM backend, for example.

I have a checkout of the code and I have been stepping through it  
with the debugger, understanding the IR and learning how simple  
examples work,  so I am beginning to see how the pieces fit together,  
but I've got a ways to go.


thanks for your help,
Niko

From niko at alum.mit.edu  Fri Sep 29 15:33:58 2006
From: niko at alum.mit.edu (Niko Matsakis)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:33:58 +0200
Subject: [pypy-sprint] Duesseldorf sprint in October
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	<2m3bacgt40.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <91059E15-EF34-4848-919F-9FCA6AC5A77C@alum.mit.edu>

> For accomodation I'm not the best person to ask as I have a flat in
> the city...  At the last sprint, a few people stayed at the "Hotel an
> der Uni" which doesn't seem to have its one web page, but is this one:
>
>     http://www.hotel.de/Booking.aspx?han=1779300&lng=DE&h_hmid=131217

Does anyone know whether this hotel has any sort of internet access  
in its rooms?


thank you,
Niko