[pypy-dev] llvm and externs

[Richard Emslie]

Ooops - sorry about the horrible subject in last mail (it's late)

On Thu, 27 Oct 2005, Richard Emslie wrote:

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> cc 'ing pypy-dev, since I cant get to #pypy these days.
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> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Christian Tismer wrote:
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>> Richard Emslie wrote:
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>>> Did see ll_osdefs.h breaks llvm in horrible ways...
>>> 
>> 
>> Aaahrrrgggg!!!
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>> Why that at all?
>> Just a brave part of the inclues, taken from CPython  ( *gulp* )
>> how can this hurt so much ?
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> :-)  Yes arrrggghhhh!!  But no fault of yours - just that we use a (llvm) C 
> compiler for externs.  If a local compiler is not available, we go to a 
> remote machine to generate llvm code.  So local includes are not possible - 
> hence in genllvm we manually include C files from #include statements. :-(
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> Now listdir() uses opaque (dont know if you introduced this or someone else) 
> - and llvm doesnt have proper support for opaque types... yet.  So we cannot 
> compile pypy right now.
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>> 
>>> will try to fix, but it is becoming more of a hassle trying to maintain 
>>> llvm backend when it is not really giving much back.
>> 
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> Sorry for the negativeness.  It would be interesting however to have the core 
> developers opinion(s) about backends in general and whether it is believed 
> maintaining it (the llvm one) is a worthwhile goal.
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>> Sorry about that.I tried to make my live easier when I had to port
>> this listdir() mess, which does not fit winnows at all :-)
>> 
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> No need to apologize - the include fix was minor and opaque types are part of 
> rpython and cannot be avoided. :-)
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> Cheers & good nite,
> Richard
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