[pypy-dev] next pypy-sync meeting 20050915

[Beatrice During]

Hi there

Just a short comment to your email Michael (thanks for your thoughts onj 
this matter BTW ;-):

One of the current major discussions about how to capitalize
on Open Source as a business model is just that - learning/training.

So I think you are on to something there Michael - both regarding the 
technical aspects and the project management/developer process aspects. 
Sprinting combines them both ;-)

Cheers

Bea


On Wed, 14 Sep 
2005, Michal Wallace wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Sep 2005, Christian Tismer wrote:
>
>> Making money out of PyPy
>>
>>   Jacob asked me on the last sprint, if it is possible to make
>>   money out of PyPy right now. I passed this around once, but would
>>   like to insist. I am personally interested to make PyPy move
>>   away a bit from its purely academical status and to think a little
>>   bit about how we can create practical applications in the near future,
>>   which allow to grow marketable services for our members, in order
>>   to reduce PyPy's dependency from the EU sponsoring.
>
> Hey all,
>
> I've only been reading these updates, and
> I haven't actually played with PyPy in
> while, so I could be way off here. But I
> do run a business and know a little bit
> about marketing, and I head up another
> python compiler project (pirate) so I
> know a little bit about the market
> demand for these things... :)
>
>
> Basically, there are really that many
> applications of this technology in its
> current state. The stated goal for this
> project is just to make a faster version of
> python, but can you really charge for that
> given that pypy is already open source?
>
> One option could be to find people who
> need python to run fast and get them to
> pay you to handle the cases that apply
> to *their project* up front, but I really
> don't think this is a viable market. It's
> much cheaper for the client to just write
> a C extension or port the whole thing to C.
>
> Another option is that you could use your
> technology created in pypy to create new
> *frontends* for pypy, and sell the service
> of taking legacy code in other languages,
> and translating that into call trees, and
> turning it magically into python or lisp or c...
> This seems like it could be a much more
> lucrative service, but it's a whole new
> research project and it takes you away
> from your core focus on python. (On the
> other hand, a company that did this would
> have a massive incentive to sponsor pypy
> development... Maybe there's a company that
> already does this kind of thing with some
> other technology... Like, say, people just
> rewriting things by hand?
>
> Another idea has to do with the sprints.
> I already told Holger this a while back,
> but I think you guys have one of the most
> impressive project management styles around,
> and the sprint idea seems like a great
> amount of fun.
>
> What if you capitalized on *that*?
>
> A week in europe to work on an open source
> project? That would be an awesome vacation!
> And to get to learn about compilers and python
> along the way?
>
> What I'm saying is you could market the
> sprints as a sort of training package for
> big companies interested in trying out python.
> They send their developers and pay you guys
> to train them. Even if the companies don't
> care about python, their developers *might*
> and that could be a great reward.
>
> Wasn't there a post just like this from
> someone in the army a while back?
>
> Market demand. :)
>
> Heck, do your next sprint as a partnership with
> these guys:
>
>  http://www.geekcruises.com/
>
> Anyway, it might be a crazy idea, but if you
> could get it working, it would capitalize
> on what you're already doing rather than
> force you to come up with some other devlepoment
> project off to the side...
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Michal J Wallace
> Sabren Enterprises, Inc.
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